[MTBB] Oshi no Ko - 01 (BD 1080p)

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2023-10-10 02:33 UTC
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6.6 GiB
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I have a love/hate relationship with modern fansub web encodes. The biggest reason why I hate them is that their existence discourages encoders from doing proper Blu-Ray encodes. Nowadays, web fansub encoders all use a particular method of smushing together a bunch of sources (like Crunchyroll, Amazon, Abema, etc.) to create something that looks better than any individual one of them. Different sources will encode different frames and parts of frames more faithfully. Oftentimes, a badly encoded (bitstarved) image will be blurrier than a properly encoded image. Therefore, it makes sense to try to take the most detailed parts of images from all the different sources and put them together. This is done by applying a filter to the image that removes detail, seeing what was removed, and prioritizing sources where more detail was removed. Yeah, that was probably hopelessly confusing. Let's give a specific example. Imagine you have a source that somehow preserves fine textures well but not scenes with heavy grain, and another source that preserves scenes with heavy grain but not fine textures. If you simply blur both sources, that will wipe the fine textures from the first source and the grain from the second source, and the idea is to take the parts of each source that were "wiped more," so to speak, and put them together (pre-wipe, of course). This is known as "frequency merging" or "lehmer merging." What you use to remove the detail from each source is pretty important. The way we first did it was to apply a simple blur. This did the job it was supposed to, but it had some strange side effects. Specifically, it increased the contrast in backgrounds and nuked detail around lines. But actually, the nuking is more like a bonus than a side effect, since there's often a lot of artifacting around lines in web sources, and nuking them takes care of that. The problem is the background contrast ([example](https://slow.pics/c/1yX53wo1)). Doesn't the wakuwan encode look better in that example? The sky and cloud "pop" more. The fact that it looks better is something of a problem, though, since when it comes time to encode Blu-Rays, you're competing not against Crunchyroll, Amazon, etc., but against your WEB encode that has all this good-looking (but fake) background contrast. You'll look at your Blu-Ray encode and perceive it as "losing" to the WEB encode, which would be embarrassing if anyone pointed it out, or if not that, then at least difficult to explain. This has led at least two fansub encoders to use the detail merging technique for their Blu-Ray encodes—merging the Blu-Ray with one or more web sources, in other words—in cases where, in my humble opinion, it was completely inappropriate and only possibly justified by a desire to hang on to that precious background contrast. There's a third instance where an encoder declared that they wouldn't do Blu-Ray encodes because WEB was good enough... even though when you compared the Blu-Ray and, say, Crunchyroll, the BD blew CR out of the water. But again, that encoder's WEB encode had that extra contrast, and a straightforward BD encode wouldn't replicate that. All this is to say: Don't compare Blu-Ray encodes to WEB encodes. Compare them to WEB sources if you'd like, but not encodes. WEB encodes are the product of so much black magic and annoying compromises that trying to beat them in every aspect shouldn't be the goal. Is this blog a thinly-veiled attempt to get people not to rag on me for having a Blu-Ray encode that [looks worse than my web encode in some ways](https://slow.pics/c/NoNrozMr)? Well, yes, but hopefully I've sufficiently explained myself. That extra detail in the WEB version is fake! The Blu-Ray version is how the studio intended it to look! [Video quality comparisons](https://slow.pics/c/rox78pNI)

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  • [MTBB] Oshi no Ko - 01 (BD 1080p) [618022A4].mkv (6.6 GiB)
Alright but your fake SDR conversion still looks worse than not doing anything at all.

motbob (uploader)

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> Alright but your fake SDR conversion still looks worse than not doing anything at all. Um, are you quite sure you know what anime this torrent is for?
> Um, are you quite sure you know what anime this torrent is for? Very much aware. But since you are trying to be the arbiter of encoding now, making sure you are aware of your Suzume release.

motbob (uploader)

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Then talk to me on discord instead of leaving weird comments in different torrents.
@motbob I would if I could!!!! It would be very nice if I could actually discuss these kinds of things in there, *doubly* so if you're using my encodes to further your points. That only seems cordial to me, personally.
With how much effort was put into signs, why didn't you TS this one? ![link](https://i.imgur.com/hegHIev.jpg)
Encoding isn't an important part of the fansubbing process anyway. also, it's almost always worth it to do a BD release even if you think the web encode looks "so good" because of animation fixes. also you can fix the subs at the same time. pretty sure that's just a weird excuse for being lazy.
@Mabby If I had to take a guess, it is because of the awkward angle. Stuff is going to get cut off if you want it to look natural, but that's undesirable. I do think it needs more glow or border on the text though since there are readability issues with the current result. That's just my personal take though. BTW, are there any subtitle changes for these BD encodes? It'd be nice to know.
Oh no, I'm angling! ![link1](https://i.imgur.com/edE4l8u.png)
But aren't there actual cases where the BD is worse than the WEB encode. Like Aquatope Edit: Yeah, I misread, you were talking about web encodes not sources.

motbob (uploader)

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I just think the important question is whether the BD is worse than the web *sources*. In that case, yeah, a merge might be good, a splice might be good, and never using BD at all might be good. For Aquatope, I believe the BD is worse than CR. So it's not the same situation as what I was talking about in the description. I think sam is doing some sort of WEB/BD merge for Vinland Saga S2. I think that's the right decision since the BD is much worse than CR in many scenes.

motbob (uploader)

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> It would be very nice if I could actually discuss these kinds of things in there, doubly so if you’re using my encodes to further your points. That only seems cordial to me, personally. I'm not attempting to knock your or anyone else's use of lehmer merge in web encodes. I understand its benefits, and hell, I used it in a starved BD OP recently. I really do see the increased contrast as just a side effect, not a plus or a minus in terms of visual quality—though as I've discussed elsewhere, it sure makes looking at comps annoying. But I'll have to cope with that.
Well, I don't really mind if you use them. That wasn't the point. It'd just be nice if I could like, discuss these things in your server as well, especially if you're using them for arguments, so I could either further inform reasons/choices, make corrections if necessary, defend choices, etc. It just feels kinda bad not being able to actually see, let alone engage in, discussions taking place due to an arbitrary ban.

motbob (uploader)

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Talking to you stresses me out in a serious way. There's nothing I can do about that.
But you won't tell me how or why, so I'm not sure what I could possibly do to reduce that.
Maybe try changing your avatar to something less smug.

motbob (uploader)

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There's nothing you can do about it either. I understand that your intentions are good, but that doesn't change the fact that talking to you is miserable for me. We go through this song and dance every few months and frankly speaking I wish you'd just give up. If you want to talk to me, make an alt, come to my server, and don't dox yourself. If you're already doing that, then great. It seems to be working out for everyone.
Tried before, and you still banned my alt, so I'll just take it I'm simply not welcome regardless. Will just have to hope the interesting discussion points at least make their way to other servers then.

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Bobby + Oshi no Ko = always exciting comment sections The formula never fails
motblog my beloved
Yeah but what about that sign? I also hope you edit some TS in future episodes because some masking is pretty awful.
\>cringe discord drama
The real issue with frequency merging is the fact you're going to merge artifacts in. If you end up merging a decent amount of good web sources (e.g. CR dubs) you'll probably end up with better detail for textures - especially for wood, which was sacrificed in the BD due to insufficient bitrate or psychovisual optimizations (or low-pass filters) in favor of less blocking and less noticeable artifacts in general, even if pixel peeping leads you to believe the web merge is better detailed. Then there's the issue with CR dub encodes not being consistent but that's not the topic here.

motbob (uploader)

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> Tried before, and you still banned my alt Because you *said* that you were Light. How is that any different from just letting you in on your main? Unless I banned you on an alt without knowing it was you, in which case, wow, I guess it really wasn't meant to be, huh?
> Because *you* said that you were Light That's not what happened (it was other people constantly alluding to it despite you telling them to knock it off), but either way, message taken.
![](https://files.catbox.moe/u7x73c.jpg) Glad to see things are the same as always on here :)
[@LightArrowsEXE](https://nyaa.si/view/1727093#com-29) Git gud at having multiple personalities
>6.6 GiB nice remux 😂
> Talking to you stresses me out in a serious way. There’s nothing I can do about that. is it just me, or isn't this the _precise_ case for just blocking and moving on?
i hate light (stalling bitch), motbob (brony), the fansubbing cartel (western retards), sneedex (even more retarded than the cartel somehow), and myself rub a dub dub thanks for the shitty encodes!
>nice remux 😂 retard this ep is 1h20 long

motbob (uploader)

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> is it just me, or isn’t this the precise case for just blocking and moving on? Are you really telling me to "move on" in a comments thread where I tried to ignore the issue and the other party demanded that I address it? Look at the comments above and tell me who is having trouble moving on, please. I am desperately trying to end this relationship but Light seems insistent on DMing me on my alt and talking to me in public. What do you want from me?
bob's comment section is chef's kiss
>DMing me on my alt uhh idk who's been dming you lately, but that's not me
banning someone without stating a reason and then telling them to still talk to you but with an alt is probably the dumbest thing i heard all week
@pip3 Don't really know anything about this discord drama other than what I've read in these comments but > banning someone without stating a reason > then telling them to still talk to you but with an alt He did state his reasons: > "Talking to you stresses me out in a serious way. There’s nothing I can do about that." > "talking to you is miserable for me" And the telling to use an alt seemed to be more of a concession on his part due to the insistence of the other part on carrying on a conversation: > "We go through this song and dance every few months and frankly speaking I wish you’d just give up. If you want to talk to me, make an alt, come to my server, and don’t dox yourself. If you’re already doing that, then great. It seems to be working out for everyone" P.S.: While we argue about these meaningless things another day goes by without the second season of K-ON having a decent english release.
herkz is throwing an embarrassing hissy fit and you are carrying water for him for some reason
Thought Light quit and exited all Discord servers a while back. Why he begging to be let in?
I ain’t reading allat
> some masking is pretty awful Just to clarify, scene blending like this in ep 4. So hopefully every sign is at least looked at once more for review. ![link](https://i.imgur.com/WfTIpB7.png)
pixel peeping ts the new meta
New? It was never about watching the show at 23.976 FPS, It was always about watching it at 23.976 SPF.
> but that doesn’t change the fact that talking to you is miserable for me Just wanna say Light is probably the least jackass person I have talked to in the entire fansub community. He actually tries to reasonably discuss and logically explain why he does what he does and thats just a fact which wont change even if people have certain issues with his subs or encodes.
>herkz is throwing an embarrassing hissy fit and you are carrying water for him for some reason ??????????????????????????
herkz: ![what he say fuck me for](https://files.catbox.moe/k0s0g4.gif)
herkz and motbob are 2 sides of the same schizo
Everyone here is arguing or poking at each other but no one is appreciating the effort you are putting into it. I will take a moment to say Thank you very much.
thanks you @vanquisher fuck off this is how nyaa work we talk shit to anyone who does free work for the community than cry when no fansub is around to do free work like real weebs
A WHOLE SEASON OR JUST ONE EPISODE?
> New? It was never about watching the show at 23.976 FPS, It was always about watching it at 23.976 SPF. Underrated comment
And this is why I don't "re-encode" anything that I upload-the video and audio stay as they came off of the dvd or bluray- just straight remuxs is all I do.
This thread encapsulates the entire nyaa comment section experience. >schizo drama bullshit >schizo response to schizo drama >herkz bullshit >meltdown over herkz bullshit >"hey what about [irrelevant moeshitter retarded anime], it hasn't gotten a good english released yet" >"thank you for the release" Also since when did motbob care about encoding quality? All his encoding have always been dogshit, and are only used for the subs. Now this is the complete nyaa comment section experience with >complaining and shitting on the free work being done