All info related Dragon Ball Kanzenban: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/manga/kanzenban/
This is a second version of the 2.3GB kanzenban's scans. This version has higher noise on darker tones but less noise on white, but you can read the comments to understand the difference.
[V1 torrent](https://nyaa.si/view/725732)
@420666969 you're right, I'm sorry. The person that analized the pages must have been confused and switched the versions. I'm truly sorry for this. The only thing that I can't understand is why did someone released that version claiming to be "b" version, as it's used to refer to a second and better versoin in the website I downloaded that from.
JanSilver01, this 2nd version is actually higher quality. More than 99% of pixels look to the eyes to be exactly the same, but a program shows a big difference. So don't be sorry for uploading this, but it was disappointing when you originally said it was a bit less noise & higher resolution which was wrong. This was available for a long time from 13dl.net (same checksums). I delayed analyzing the difference until now. The following 3 comments explain why I am 100% certain v2 (officially version B, you should change the title) is higher quality. Also there are problems with the above posted comparison picture which I explain below.
V1= 2.3GB version
Vb = this 3.2GB version
V1 & Vb are the same resolutions making this difficult, and even if you zoom in to the pixels extremely close, all pixels, including noise in the white around the lines, look exactly the same at first glance.
I went to online-image-comparison.com to compare every pixel of 2 matching scans from V1 & Vb (set fuzz to 1). It shows a huge difference which seems to be the color or shade for most pixels that aren't white. Even though the pixels look exactly the same, they are different shades or darknesses. Most of everything that outlines the drawings and is not white is shown to be different, but it's almost impossible to see the change in most pixels with your eyes.
Everything is so similar that how could you even tell which one is the original. There were no big tells I could find at first. But the change in pixels 99% of the time were darker for both the noise and drawings in V1 which is very noticeable in some pixels. I'm not an expert, but in my experience this is usually the case in the copy that is recompressed from the original which may be the result with no intended changes, or maybe in this case a slight sharpening was used. The original lighter pixels around the lines give smoother transitions of curves which is lost when the pixels become darker after recompression, especially when sharpened too much.
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So I compared 2 versions of the same scan using my favorite method which made me 100% certain of which scans are the original or better quality.
I opened 2 tabs in google chrome, put the scan named 000-3.jpg from the volume 5 folder of Vb in one tab and the matching V1 scan in the other tab. I clicked the mouse over each scan to maximize the size and scrolled to the top left corner of each scan. Now the 2 scans line up so you can see any slight changes when clicking between both tabs. I then clicked the right arrow at the right of the bottom scroll bar 25 times for each scan to be in a good spot to analyze.
You won't see any difference in General Blue, but I found a spot where the program that recompressed the scan did a worse job than normal in V1. It is the yellow writing above General Blue's head. V1 is a bit overly brightened and some detail is lost, which can happen when recompressing a scan. I noticed this while looking at my LCD monitor at a lower viewing angle where colors show a bit differently at that angle. I was able to see a huge difference. After adjusting my viewing angle it is not as drastic of a difference, but still noticeable. Vb is a bit darker showing more detail. To point out one specific spot that makes it very obvious, look at the 4th Japanese character from the left that looks like a y but with a detached line at the top left. The top long edge of that short detached line is made up of a solid looking line that is a nice darker solid color in Vb. But in V1 the line of that same edge is broken up at one spot and looks lower quality which may allow you to see that all the edges of the Japanese characters are lower quality and especially the yellow is brightened too much. Vb has a nice slightly darker colour with a solid line at that same spot which looks like it is from the original scans or just a better compression of the original.
Use a photo viewer to zoom in to see the many altered pixels of the broken up spot on that line to see how Vb is better quaility.
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So that spot with the broken up line along with the changed darker pixels of the scans in v1 (that may not give as 100% as much of a gradual curve to some lines), and my experience seeing these types of changes in recompressed scans makes me certain that these 3.2GB Vb scans are the original scans, or maybe the original copy or better alternate compressed copy of what may be a larger sized set of original scans, if any exist.
But after all that, there is really an undetectable difference in more than 99% of it. But I have OCD and since I am making a collection, I am keeping this 3.2GB Vb and erasing the 2.3GB V1.
Also the picture posted above from 420666969 is strange since it has been resaved with a program that has put white lines around each pixel. You can clearly see that by right clicking the picture and opening in new tab and clicking on the picture to maximize it (in google chrome). But you can also use this to see how the pixels all look exactly the same in both versions, and you may be able to see some slightly darker pixels in V1 if you look closely. But your monitor may show pixels differently at different spots of the monitor. If you look at this picture without opening it in a new tab, it doesn't show the differences in V1 and Vb correctly since the picture is shrunk and has to remove random pixels to shrink it to fit the page which changes pixels differently in both scans.
@mrbean His post is normal. He zoomed at least 500% which makes the imagem look like that. Add some images to compare, that would be easier to understand.
JanSilver01, I have no idea why you would think it is normal that a pixel would have a white border around it even when zoomed in. Pixels don’t work like that. Zooming in doesn’t show white borders around every pixel because there are no white borders. Pixels all touch each other directly, even when zooming in that far. I use windows photo viewer from windows 7. Windows 10 can be set to use that viewer if you find instructions. The above photo was zoomed in with a photo editor that purposely adds white borders around each pixel when displaying the zoomed in photo for the purpose of allowing you to see the separation of each pixel easily when editing the photo when zoomed in. He did a print screen while the image was open with that program which is why you see the white borders. The program will not save the white borders when saving the photo. You can see for yourself. Take any photo you have and zoom in all the way until you can see the pixels. Even in the photo above without opening it in a new tab, there is a checkered pattern in the hair that isn’t there in the original scan even when you zoom in that far.
The above photo comes from Volume 5 Page 130 (took me a long time to find it) if you want to see for yourself. Sorry, I actually erased the lower quality scans a few days ago. If you end up posting the picture, post the original unmodified scan of each picture separately for people to download and zoom in themselves. If you resave the photo, the pixels will most likely be modified.
As for the scan I was talking about, it took me a long time to give clear instructions to see what I am talking about, and those instructions won’t disappear one day like a posted photo. If I have time one day to make an anonymous photo hosting website account so I can post photos here, I will download that photo from the lower quality kanzenban and make a comparison post here to show the lower quality missing pixels, and maybe post the 2 original versions of the above scan as well. If I do, It may take a long time.
yes photoshop is a photo editing program which was most likely the program used for the above photo. And as I said photo editing programs will do that in order to make it easier to edit the pixels by separating them for you, mostly useful if many pixels of the same color are grouped together. Editing programs aren’t used to view pictures or read manga. I use windows photo viewer included in windows 7 to read Manga which also allows zooming in to see pixels that large, but as I said with windows 10 you will need to find instructions to use that same viewer.
There are however photo editing programs that don’t separate the pixels with a white grid. Microsoft Paint is one of them and included in every windows version, or download paint.net from getpaint.net which is free and open source and a far better replacement for Mircrosoft paint.
This is not important since you can open the above picture in a new tab and click on it to expand it to maximum size to have a good comparison of pixels and see how they are exactly the same to the eyes in both versions. The white grid separating the pixels doesn’t affect that even though it shouldn’t be there.
This is not a debateable subject, this is a fact that I am just trying to explain to you. Can you imagine if computer monitors and TV’s had a white border around every pixel, or if digitial pictures were printed like that. Everything would look like crap. Please take the time to do your own research on pixels if needed. Google makes it easy.
I’m sorry but these comments have taken too much of my time so I may not check back after this comment. I will post back at some point whenever I can find time to post the only picture comparison that matters which is that spot I found that shows this uploaded version is better quality (if I can even download the other versions again). It is difficult to find a spot like that since 99.9% of the pixels look exactly the same to the eyes. I will respond to any further comments at that time, but it may be a while.
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